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They will care if they know about it. This needs to be made more publicly available


New Zealand is attempting something along the lines of the IrelandOffline Blackout a while back. (I was the person that organised that, for all the good it did.) I was going to suggest on my site and in a few other places that we join in with them, but my experience of trying to rally people is disheartening to say the least.


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I suspect that fewer than a couple of hundred people care enough about this to do anything about it, depressingly. Ever thus with digital issues in Ireland.



The problem is: how do you interest that part of the population that is over 40 on this issue?

I'm sure that sounds facetious, but honestly, even in my own paper, when I argue why this is an important issue I can see eyes glazing over.

And eyes glaze over all around the country on this: to middle-aged people, who still run the country, this is about kids downloading music, nothing else.

It's a technical issue, as they see it. And it's nothing to do with them, as they still only visit five websites.

So it's hard to get out there.


Just because Eircom won't oppose any court application - that doesn't mean that it can't be opposed. What is the best organisation to mobilise to oppose these applications?



I think you're right, but am not sure. Kieron Wood, our legal editor, would know.

But don't forget, you'd still need either lots of money or a couple of lawyers willing to work on a bona fide basis.


This development really does merit an organised public campaign to voice opposition. The first step is probably to set up a protest group on facebook and attract members. It could build from there..only problem this presents is I would then have to establish a profile on Facebook and I've managed to avoid that until now.


NTL already do this, block sites they don't like.



Really? Which ones?


Dont' know about NTL specifically but ISPs have been known to indulge in traffic shaping, which is not legal and isn't officially acknowledged but this IRMA/Pirate Bay matter is serious and will set a precedent for large organizations controlling Irish ISPs and their customers.

If the Pirate Bay is not held to be illegal to access then I don't see what IRMA's basic standard of proof could be for blocking this and similar sites?



Just one point on The Pirate Bay's case -- whether or not it is found to be legal or illegal in Sweden is probably irrelevant here, I'd think. Irish law is very different.

Did you know that, technically, it is still illegal (ie against copyright law) to copy a song from a CD to a computer or an iPod in Ireland? We haven't changed that law, as far as I know.


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Johnny Ryan

You might be interested in this conversation - revolving around the Proposal recently launched by the Commission on filtering (most of the comments below are in English) http://ceciliamalmstrom.wordpress.com/2010/03/29/ett-slag-for-barnens-rattigheter/
Hope all is well with you,

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