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dahamsta

The same could have been said about the idiocy that is the "levy" Adrian. They set out to distract the Irish people from their inability to implement a new tax regime with "plans" they had absolutely no intention of implementing, and the Irish public fell for it hook, line and sinker. I call it "collective stupidity". As a nation, we're morons.

adam

Niall Kitson

Impassioned stuff but I think you're being a little harsh. It's not that 'we' in Ireland didn't understand what was going on, the 'we' in question stretches across the world.
The Madoff scandal showed that bankers anywhere get drunk at the smell of a dollar - imaginary or otherwise.
Yes the banking class has royally messed things up for everyone, and a supine government and bloated civil service don't do us any favours but it remains to be seen which country is sophisticated enough to think its way out of the recession.

Yourtech

Niall,

The Americans are taking responsibility for this -- they are not blaming others. They're acknowledging that their system is at fault and that they are responsible for creating and maintaining that system. Elections will be won and lost on this issue: how congressmen voted on Obama's package will be dredged up as relevant content come election time.

And over here? Are you joking?

Sure, if you're a public servant who had just been hit with the pension levy, you'll take it out on the government. But will you, the Irish citizen, (not you, Niall) acknowledge that you were part of the system that is corrupt and lets a golden circle do what they want? Of course not. That would be too logical. And it would mean being partly accountable for the way your country is run.

Yourtech

Adam,

The pension levy is a tough measure if you're a public servant, a logical one if you're not.

I can understand why the government has decided not to implement the rest of the measures we need to do (eg cuts in health, education, social welfare and cutting tax breaks for businesses and the well-off).

I can understand it because in this country, there is simply no way that the people are yet willing to accept that dire economic circumstances means a (substantial) cut in their own living conditions. They'd go berserk.

"It's not my fault," they'd scream. "So why am I paying?"

They're already doing this with the levy. They did it with the medical card for rich pensioners. And they'll do it with any goddamn cut the government tries to make.

Because we are not yet ready to accept that we -- you, Niall and I -- have to take responsibility for this. Us, not somebody else. We are the ones who have to pay more and get less.

The sooner we start to accept this, the sooner we can tackle this problem seriously. If we refuse to accept this, if we all insist that "someone else" must pay, then we're fucked.

Not this time

I get it.

I get that Fianna Fail are corrupt beyond redemption, and if the latest opinion polls are a guide, even the core vote is finally beginning to see that.

I get that Fine Gael haven't much different to promise, a leader who over reaches (either name the ten or shut up, Enda) and a set of policies that will never be enacted, they just exist to win votes. Maybe they're a little less corrupt, but are they less corrupt in principle, or is it just that they haven't been in power enough for the corruption to be as visible. Michael Lowry anyone?

I get that ten percent cuts in TDs salaries amount to more than I earned last year, limits to unvouched expenses are meaningless, Dail committees are powerless, and it's that even with all the bullshit manipulation of the stockmarkets nothing much illegal happened, because light regulation amounts to no rules to break in the first place.

I get that Fianna Fail hacks have been appointed to state boards for years and infest the machinery of the state, arranging state contracts enriching their own companies, that judges are chosen because of who they support politically, and typos in lawyers contracts become legally binding.

I get that I won't have a chance to vote these fuckers out unless the Greens grow a set of balls and pull the plug. I get that when that eventually happens, I'm not going to have much of a choice anyway.

I get that in the 1980s, there were places I could emigrate to, and that option isn't there this time.

I get that punching the first cunt to knock on my door looking for a vote might be satisfying, but it wont change anything.

Show me a leader worth following, and I'll march on Leinster house. Don't tell me I don't fucking get it. I get it. Do you?

Yourtech

Dear Not this time,

In fact, there is something that you don't get.

YOU are Fianna Fail. YOU are Fine Gael. YOU are responsible for our political parties. And the light regulation. And the judicial selection criteria. And everything else in this country.

Who do you think decides what happens in this country? Someone else? No -- it's YOU. Joe Citizien.

Shocked? Offended? Don't like that as a notion, do you?

So don't march. Don't accept responsibility. Sit back and blame someone else.

It's not your fault. It never is.

Not This Time

I didn't vote for Fianna Fail.

I didn't vote for Fine Gael.

I did vote.

Maybe next time, someone I vote for will get in.

I live in hope.

Jason O'Mahony

Not This Time

How many doors did you knock on for the guy you wanted to get in? What was the reaction to him/her?

dahamsta

For the record, I wasn't talking about the pension "levy", but the income tax "levy". I don't have a problem with taxes, I have a problem with the way FF implements them, and the way the Irish people accept that.

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